[bisq-network/compensation] For August 2018 (#115)

[Harry MacFinned]

> I don't have exact numbers about on how much time I spend there, but on a typical month, it's many hours spent monitoring, reading and responding what others write about Bisq,
> you need the person writing the tweets to be deeply connected to the domain, know the audience, etc.

On a typical month, it's exactly the same on reddit. But reddit's search engine is unfortunately not very powerful and only searches thru the titles. To search for "Bisq" in a subreddit, you have to search in that subreddit.
I personnaly have a 1500 followers account since several years. I'm not caring enough on this account the last year, but this helps me having a rather good idea on the twitter/reddit comparison.

> we're reaching in excess of 1M people with our efforts there, and you can see these stats in my monthly reports on the role.

Concerning the stats on reddit, I don't know atm about tools which may give a synthetic view as with twitter stats.
The best I'm aware atm, are the stats as given in a poster's profile.
https://www.reddit.com/user/Dieter_von_Bisq
But those stats say unfortunately nothing directly about the views. You must click each post, xpost, comment to see the views.
The best easy synthetic proxy we may have concerning the views, are the upvotes/downvotes, and the comments, which are correlated to the views. atm, downvotes are less then 1%, unseable.
(Btw, it can be pointed that the stats as given by twitter (prints) are not everywhere taken as 100% trustful)

On another point, when I begin with reddit on july 22th, the Bisq presence on reddit was (and still is) hardly comparable to the presence on twitter. I presume that probably both channels didn't got the same care.
I'm not sure it would be a good idea to argue about actual low stats on a channel (due to less care) as a good reason to not be active on the channel.

> I have a hard time seeing how our efforts in r/Bitcoin and r/Bisq subreddits

Efforts in r/Bitcoin are very very small.
Efforts in r/bisq itself concerns a group of 790 subscribers (which is very small).
r/bisq is atm absolutely not the place where the posts get the most views.
(For the past week the numbers for the daily Bisq Offer Book on 12/13/14/15th are 151+144+178+89 -> 562/4=140 views.)

This morning the daily BOB made 56 views on r/bisq and at the same moment 522 views for the 6 crossposts.
It's the crossposts which make really plenty use of the initial publication.

> exceed the value of our Twitter efforts by 3x (the 4500 BSQ originally requested above), or even 2x (~2500–3000 BSQ,

Posting in r/bisq is imo necessary because r/bisq is Bisq's **basis** in reddit.
People who want to read informations about Bisq on reddit must have this place.
But posting in r/bisq is certainly not sufficient to actively find new customers.
To actively find new customers (who don't come entirely by themselves atm),
you have to search those customers in the place where they are, ie in the subreddits they read.

My strategy atm is to crosspost the daily Bisq Offer Book to potentially concerned subreddits.
The atm calendar is below.

monday         | tuesday        | wednesday     | thursday      | friday
---------------|----------------|---------------|---------------|----------
xmrtrader      | EtcTrader      | Namecoin      | algoTrading   | ByteBall
LitecoinMarkets| BitcoinMarkets | CryptoCurrency| CryptoTrading | CryptoCurcies    
Daytrading     | Unobtanium     | siatrader     | CryptoMarkets | gridcoin
Trading        | dogecoin       | XSPEC         | Horizen       | dashpay
ByteBall       | zec            | zcoin         | Dex           | pivx

This calendar is evolving :
- ie (too) small subreddits are replaced by bigger ones
- I though adding also national bitcoin subreddits (would be a 6th row)

The goal is to, once a week, send a reminder to all those subreddits, that Bisq exists as a marketplace, to give them an example on what is on the market, and to provide links to join.

In a typical day, this represents 2 or 3 posts per day + 6 crossposts.
For the month this amounts to : 50 posts + 120 crossposts.
In addition to those posts/xposts, there are also questions/reactions etc.
Which needs answers. Answers = comments.
I posted 70 comments in august. That's 2 or 3 comments per week day.
Each comment concerns a particular question/topic. You don't chose the topic. You have to answer.

In august (count v0.8.0 in) the numbers were : 50 posts, 150 crossposts, 70 comments.
I consider that all the daily crossposts equates one post -> 150 xposts=30 posts
(there is a 10' mandatory delay between posts/xposts)
I'll also count each comment as a post.
**So the total for august = 50 + 30 + 70 = 150 posts**

It may also be worth signaling that :
- posting on our own subreddit is easy, posting on other subreddits where they have their own moderators and their own rules is a bit more delicate.
- there is no 280 characters limit for the posts on reddit. There is no length limit, which gives you plenty of place to argument when needed. Of course, in general reddit posts are longer than tweets.

When I did my first estimation for this role, I tried to find points of comparison in order to fill my comp. request properly and fairly.
The comparison point I had atm was @cbeams 's own work on twitter, who posted (on average value) 70 posts/month on twitter atm.

**So for posting a bit more than twice, longer posts, I require(d) roughly twice.**
(Please don't count the august premium as typical. I explicitely stated it wasn't.)

I remention also that this estimation was coherent with the hours spent and with my other role (support).

I may well understand the remarks about the **budget versus the audience**.
But still, we should be careful with that :
- It's not because reddit has no easy synthetic view counting (afaik) that there are no views.
- the audience of a neglected channel is low, this is quite normal. This is imo not a reason to say that the channel itself is not worth.

(If we continue discussing this audience topic, another place than here maybe more appropriate.)

I am a bit more annoyed about the remarks about **the budget versus the work done**.
I tried to ask rather precisely the same BSQs for the same quantity/quality of posts. I don't ask for more.

I'm also interested about answering @cbeams question about it's own figure, but I'll do it in another post (since it may have also other concerns).


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