[bisq-network/bisq] Haveno - Bisq fork from the Monero community (#5429)

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@chimp1984 I ignored your comments initially, since they appear to be crafted to sparkle drama, but the amount of falsities being spread is reaching a level that cannot be ignored.

> the overall reaction to ignore my valid concerns and criticism and defamate me and Bisq repeatedly

This is is provably false. When you came in the #haveno chat with a different nick to share your criticisms, we happily received it and i personally thanked you and assured you your concerns were noted, most of which we were already aware of and we are discussing internally. The problems begun when days later you started to PM members of the Haveno team privately, repeating the same criticisms (even if you already got an answer from the same people in public) but adding a more apocalyptic tone and small, incorrect, details that would picture a much more dramatic situation than it actually is. That wasn't well received by me, as i received it like an attempt to scare key Haveno contributors and spread FUD about the whole project, but i and anybody else never insulted or trolled you. The chat logs are public and anyone joining `#haveno` or `#haveno-dev` on matrix can read the backlog.

> I guess if that statement is true

I strongly suggest you to stop making guesses. Most of what's written in your OP about how Haveno will work are assumptions, based on nothing but your perception of the state of things. We haven't finalized our trade protocol, so your guesses on how the UX will be are just that, guesses. You are obviously free to guess whatever you want, but please don't make these assumptions public as if they were universal truths.

Also, wile you guess how the 2/3 multisig is regulated, we are in direct contact with these regulators, and we are studying and following their guidelines with the help of experts in the field.

 

Anyway, i'm not interested in feeding drama, but at least i'm happy to see that as a result of Haveno being under development, Bisq received the wake up call and it's speeding up their protocol improvements to offer a better UX.

Your concerns are noted, but honestly sadden me to see your reactions. It's not unexpected though. If Haveno is successful bisq could lose 90% or more of its revenue and as you know, the vast majority of Bisq's revenue come from Monero trades and our main goal is to prioritize those, so i understand you feel threatened.

@m52go

> So much negative energy

As pointed out multiple times, Monero people have been asking Bisq to improve their XMR support for years, but without any substantial result (and no, adding automatic transaction confirmations is not a substantial enough improvement IMHO). The failed integrations and the unwillingness of Bisq's team to prioritize Monero have frustrated the XMR community, who desperately need a decentralized XMR <-> fiat exchange. Bisq hasn't delivered (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter) so we decided to assemble a team and take care of the problem ourselves. This shouldn't be seen as an attack or as trolling, but as healthy competition.

The road is long and hard, but we believe in the project and we are working to make it real. Any help and suggestions are appreciated and we welcome every Bisq contributor willing to contribute to the Haveno project or to share constructive criticism. Good luck :)

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